New Law for Organs in Israel
#1
Posted 15 March 2010 - 12:17 PM
basically, the law says that organ donors will have priority over non-donors to receive organs. obviously, frum groups are upset about this. your thoughts?
#2
Posted 15 March 2010 - 12:22 PM
Snag, on 15 March 2010 - 01:17 PM, said:
basically, the law says that organ donors will have priority over non-donors to receive organs. obviously, frum groups are upset about this. your thoughts?
I was gratified to read somewhere that the head of Zaka has a donor card. I'm torn about the implications of using non-medical criteria, but this was a good non-medical criterion to choose.
I would be even happier (for personal reasons) if there was an opt-out policy in America.
#3
Posted 15 March 2010 - 01:02 PM
Snag, on 15 March 2010 - 01:17 PM, said:
basically, the law says that organ donors will have priority over non-donors to receive organs. obviously, frum groups are upset about this. your thoughts?
That is so interesting.
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 01:11 PM
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#5
Posted 15 March 2010 - 01:24 PM
Interesting that the authors chose to get involved in the religious arguments, saying that those whose moral or religious beliefs prohibit donation should also prohibit receipt of a donated organ.
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#6
Posted 15 March 2010 - 01:37 PM
teddydouglas, on 15 March 2010 - 02:24 PM, said:
their moralistic argument is based on faulty data - the primary orthodox objection to organ donation (afaik) is that halacha and secular law diverge on what is considered "death", thus standard organ donation according to many poskim involves murder. therefore, one's objection to allowing oneself to be murdered should not logically preclude one benefiting from another who has no such qualms.
#7
Posted 15 March 2010 - 02:25 PM
How much money did your gadol get from EJF/Tom Kaplan?
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#8
Posted 15 March 2010 - 02:31 PM
Snag, on 15 March 2010 - 02:37 PM, said:
Put it that way, and agreeing to accept an organ is basically requisitioning a murder.
Also, is there no way to agree to organ donation but tell them to wait until you are really dead?
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#9
Posted 15 March 2010 - 02:33 PM
teddydouglas, on 15 March 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:
The organs are then dead as well. Although I think the cornea might still be viable.
How much money did your gadol get from EJF/Tom Kaplan?
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#10
Posted 15 March 2010 - 02:40 PM
http://koltorah.org/...nsplants_1.html
Snag, on 15 March 2010 - 02:37 PM, said:
Except that a donation only occurs when there is a match. Therefore, for a Jew to accept a donation would mean that he is OK with the killing of the donor since otherwise the donor would not be donating his organ.
How much money did your gadol get from EJF/Tom Kaplan?
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 02:48 PM
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 06:18 PM
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#13
Posted 15 March 2010 - 06:51 PM
cynic, on 15 March 2010 - 03:25 PM, said:
i don't know much about this topic, but i've heard that the brain death referred to by the poskim != brain stem death, which is the legal criterion.
teddydouglas, on 15 March 2010 - 03:31 PM, said:
Also, is there no way to agree to organ donation but tell them to wait until you are really dead?
not neccessarily - they will kill the person anyways, you are just allowing his death to benefit you.
i think the organs are then nonviable.
#14
Posted 15 March 2010 - 08:47 PM
Snag, on 15 March 2010 - 07:51 PM, said:
I spoke with a research doctor, and he confirmed that the feather thing is brain death, not cardiac death. Once you clear that, then we can discuss just what we call brain death. And what we generally call brain death is the absence of electrical impulses as measured via an EEG, I guess. It's not "being a vegetable" as YWN folks would say. Nobody comes out of brain death, it's not a coma.
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#16
Posted 15 March 2010 - 09:13 PM
Sweet, on 15 March 2010 - 01:22 PM, said:
Of course there should be. America has one of the lower numbers of donors per inhabitants, and it's probably because people don't take the time out to see if it's something they'd like to do. If it's an opt-out policy, you can bet people might be more involved in deciding.
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#17 Guest_NehsukSehcut_*
Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:10 AM
It is very possible that a card holder might die without being able to donate the organs (age, hopefully, but also malignant and other disqualifying illness, lack of proper recipient or problems that lead to organ rejection) whereas the blood and platelet donors have already donated and will continue doing so.
And leave it to the government of the secular state that occupies Eretz Yisroel to come up with anti-Torah laws. This, the civil union law, what else is next?
#18
Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:52 AM
NehsukSehcut, on 16 March 2010 - 08:10 AM, said:
It is very possible that a card holder might die without being able to donate the organs (age, hopefully, but also malignant and other disqualifying illness, lack of proper recipient or problems that lead to organ rejection) whereas the blood and platelet donors have already donated and will continue doing so.
i think this is an excellent point.
#19
Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:44 AM
Snag, on 16 March 2010 - 09:52 AM, said:
not if the goal of the legislation is to incentivize organ donation.
#20
Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:49 AM
politico, on 16 March 2010 - 11:44 AM, said:
but why is organ donation the only criterion which pushes someone up the list?
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